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Room 4 Debate - Better Safe Then Sorry
The argument of whether or not the u.s.a p.a.t.r.i.o.t act is still needed is only a matter of placing safety and security on a balance scale along with freedom and privacy as well as a matter of being conservative or being liberal. In my opinion,there are many reasons why we still need the Patriot act. Some people may believe the act is interfering and messing with the American beliefs of privacy but I believe it is safer to invade someone's privacy then to end up dealing with another successful terrorist attack. Some people believe that the patriot act can only result in the government receiving too much power and having too much access. Beings though because of the patriot act 15 terrorist plots were disrupted, I feel as though America would be a lot more safer with the act then without. Although it is believed that the patriot act was/is being used for things other then preventing terrorist acts such as putting homeless people off the streets, I'd still believe that things could be much worse without it. The only reason someone could have a major problem with the patriot act was if they were up to something themselves. If you're not up to something, then why worry about the government worrying about you? There is no doubt on the patriot act being successful on what it was supposed to do which was prevent terrorist acts and that's why I believe we still need the u.s.a patriot act.
USA Patriot Act Editoral
This act in itself has redefined what a terrorist is because
the requirements of being a suspicious person are not specific enough. Terrorism
is the main concern, however many feel that the focus is to take over the lives
of Americans by invading their privacy. Certainly this would raise debate because
privacy is something that Americans feel like they are owed. Americans want
safety but not at the cost of losing their privacy. Something could and should
be done to please them in both ways. Maybe the techniques that are allowed by
means of this act could be change so that innocent Americans aren’t being interrogated,
in a sense. If efforts to protect the U.S continue to be put in the wrong place
it may turn out for the worst. One comment brought out that this issue may be
leading us closer and closer to a dictatorship. Another said that essentially
the terrorist have won because of this controversy. Both of these statement are
exactly what we don’t want to happen so I think its best that the whole act
should not be changed rather some pieces should be tweaked. If not, our reality
will become the fiction of Tony Scott’s Enemy Of the State.
A need for the Patriot Act?
The PATRIOT Act: The Actual Terror Plot
The PATRIOT Act leaves many in the dark since it was truly an emotional response rather than an appropriately weighted idea. I get it though. 9/11 was definitely a big hit to the US and threatened national safety for years to come. But like any other emotional response, it wasn't thought through. It was an act of fear, and fear breeds repression. Instead of actually seeking out potential threats of this country, we instead, turn on our own citizens and view them as potential threats. That doesn't sound like safety to me. Instead it is another additional fear that has been placed in society by the government.
It says a lot about our society when even the most (we would like to think) level-headed officials and politicians are deterred when it comes to important decision making. Like I have stated before: yes, 9/11 was a big hit. But if our nation's leaders, the people who we depend on for the well being of our country, can't even sit down and actually plan out the right course of action, it can't help but lead to distrust. I mean, right now as I write this, I can't help but feel like I'm being monitored by a mysterious van a block or two away from my house. I think that says a lot. To not have ease of mind when you are simply speaking your mind is ridiculous. What happened to the First Amendment? Did the PATRIOT Act ink in fine print now that says: "Unless we think you're a terrorist."?
As much as I disagree with how the and what the PATRIOT Act stands for, it has bound to have worked on more than one occasion. I'm guessing here because, like the PATRIOT Act, it's a mystery. The government is a huge mystery to me. They give out facts and numbers on how many terror plots have been suppressed or stopped due to the PATRIOT Act. But I can't tell for sure if those are factual representations or if it's just to fluff up the PATRIOT Act so the government can still have full access to every person's life. I just don't know. If you round up all of the citizens of the United States, all their opinion will equate to "I don't know.", since we all can't even agree what the PATRIOT Act actually is or entails. I'm not willing to just give up my civil liberties, and neither is the whole population of this country. The PATRIOT Act should be revisited and tweaked to detract from infringing the rights of the people and the foundation that this country was built upon.
Enemy of the State review
The (Consequences) of Our Best Ideas
The power that the Patriot Act allows the government to yield is unnecessary to achieve the means it sets out to accomplish. For example, the pieces of the law that allow agents access to library records is completely bogus. The possibility of abuse of this law is far greater than it's ability to do good. Rather than actually taking a hard look at the consequences of our best idea- being national security- pride and patriotism or shaming others for lack thereof in questioning this law has brought us to hastily procured legislation that restrict basic freedoms set in our Constitution.
The threat lies in the fact that most common citizens, let alone the Senate or House members, don't understand its provisions whether they be positive or negative. Rather than attempt to improve international relations thus making those suspected of terrorism less inclined to hate us on principle, we relinquish our freedoms from ourselves by letting the law go as it stands now without further dissection. I believe with the amount of corruption within the government and the judicial system, individual courts or FBI agents with NSLs should not be able to pick and choose who has their Constitutional rights taken away based on suspicion like what types of books they like to read.
I am not saying in any way that we should not investigate possible terror plots, but the current standing of the Patriot Act puts the basic everyday rights of citizens in jeopardy when they are not the ones who should be suspected of terrorism. The position of, "well if you're doing nothing wrong then it shouldn't matter, right?" grinds my gears especially. So basically, you're not religious so you shouldn't have the right to practice any religion you want anyway. We all think you're guilty, so you don't need a fair trial anyway, right?
The patriot act
Patriot Act
It's important to note, that this act does not just focus on international terrorists, but also terrorists within our own country. The act does not focus on "innocent" Americans, so no one should be too worried about being "spied" on, unless they're doing something they shouldn't. Basically, the government won't waste their time spying on anyone that does not need to be watched. They focus on people that have the potential to harm others.
Due to the rise of technology, and more resources available for people to purchase (legally, and illegally), I believe that the act should still be a law. The security, and safety of the citizens should never be compromised, and should continue to be the highest priority for this government. Although some may be unaware, this act has actually stopped more than 30 terror plots. So, while some may think this is wrong, and unjust, it's better to think about how this has helped, rather than how it hurts.
Room for Debate
The PATRIOT ACT is not only being used for terrorists but for the typical criminal. Though, it shouldn't be used to spy on innocent Americans. For the government to be able to see every move you make when ever they feel the need to "check on you" is a little too much. But also, Americans should take in consideration the benefit of the doubt. Images and actions can fool you.
It's the government using common sense. If the nation loses its security, then it should be allowed to maintain surveillance. Although today their may not be terrorist attacks as serious as the 9/11 attacks, America needs the PATRIOT ACT-or at least some portions of it- in order to secure American's safety.
It's Time for Reform
This act is credited with thwarting dozens of terrorist attacks since its introduction. The PATRIOT Act helped to further modernize our anti-terrorism laws and capabilities in the wake of increased worldwide technology usage. An example of this is Title III of the legislation. This provision seeks to prevent terrorist groups from receiving funding by requiring banks to monitor for money laundering. It is so easy in this modern world for anyone to donate money to a cause, and some people choose to support terrorists. Title IX is arguably the most logical clause of the PATRIOT Act since it promotes the sharing of essential intelligence between government agencies. The 2001 attacks could have been prevented if the NSA had passed on known information about the activities of the bombers to other law enforcement agencies such as the FBI. There are many other similar provisions of this act that helps to keep America safe, but at the same time, other provisions infringe on our civil liberties.
The PATRIOT Act infringes on people’s right to privacy through covert wiretapping and surveillance. In light of this, it is also important to note that this infringement is necessary in order to protect the larger population. Covert surveillance is often needed to monitor and apprehend suspected terrorists. The right to privacy is one of our civil liberties that we have to sacrifice in the name of security. We need to realize that we cannot have our cake and eat it too.
There are other provisions of the this law that goes too far. The PATRIOT Act gives the government the power to detain terrorist suspects without charges and deny them access to lawyers and the due process of the law. These parts of the law infringes upon the rights are guaranteed under the Constitution. These rights are definitely more important than national security and should not be sacrificed. This is some of the language that should be removed from the PATRIOT Act.
The USA PATRIOT Act should be reformed to respect rights that are guaranteed to us under the Constitution. Many provisions of this act helps to protect the United States from terrorist attacks like 9/11 and should be kept in place. It is never acceptable to sacrifice our constitutional rights in order to protect against terrorists.
Patriot Act Response
Honestly, I don't believe that the average American would enjoy being spied on, yet the Patriot Act justifies it by mentioning that it'll pick out all the bad apples from our populous. But how? Under what assumption? Sure, there are judges to go through. Agents themselves are also required to provide reasonable evidence before any “bugging” can begin. Surely, we can trust our fellow government workers to decide who gets to be followed and who doesn't. Can we not?
Before freaking out and checking your walls for microphones, cameras and other things of the sort, let's understand what kind of people are the ones being tracked. Who the Patriot Act follows isn't common people like you and I. The average American isn't going to be followed, regardless of ethnicity, gender, or religion. Tourists, suspects, and other people that are actively moving in and out of the country are possible victims of the Patriot Act. The law is dedicated to keeping surveillance over sketchy and dishonest characters, and preventing them from possibly committing a dangerous crime that could breach the security of this country.
My personal opinion on the matter is that we still need the Patriot Act. I don't agree with the out government spying on people, especially using suspicion as a way to track down potential terrorists. But, like any good parent that wants the best for their children, they'll do what is necessary to protect their children (let's hope). Citizens of this country shouldn't be alarmed, this so-called “spying” isn't anything new. It has been going on for years. And as long as you feel comfortable living the life you currently are living, I'd say don't worry about the government or the Patriot Act. It's for the best.
Trosario- Room for Debate
Though this assignment I have read both sides of
the argument for and against the Patriot Act, and have tried to express my
ideas on this concept without bias.
The Patriot Act was made to aid the keeping of US
citizens safe form terrorist. The Act was created after the incident of Sept.
11. In a high state of fear the bill was passed and made into law with in four
days, rather than the many months that is common for passing a bill.
The Patriot Act gives federal offices such as the
NSA and FBI authority to track and intercept communication. Such tactics can be
used to investigate for law enforcement and foreign intelligence.
While reading the four articles that were
assigned I saw a trend building. “Technology has advanced. Defensive
technologies have not kept up,” wrote Eric Posner- (There’s still a need).
Also on the side for the Patriot Act was Nathan
A. Sales (A vital weapon). He stressed the point that the tools used for the
interceptions were similar, if not the same, tools that police officers have used
for decades. Sales went on to explain that NSA agents are required to receive
permission and a warrant from a Judge.
These are important factors, and necessary in the
apprehension of criminals, but when is there a crossing of the morality line?
Jeffrey Rosen’s article ‘Too much power’ caught
my eye with one of his quotes. “Reported in 2007 by the Inspector General of
the Justice Department. ‘Widespread and serious abused’ of the authority by the
FBI under the patriot act”.
But the point that most intrigued me was that of
Susan N. Herman (Too many needless provision ‘Section 215’)
Herman’s main argument was that against the
Patriot Act. One incident she quotes was that of an NSA agent requesting the
records of a civilian’s library checkouts.
How does the library check outs of one civilian
show that they may or may not have terroristic plots? Should US citizens now be
afraid to do research or write a book report in a free country? Also how is it
fair for people unlike anyone else to have more power than others?
NSA agents have the power to simply give one
reason to a judge for the investigation of a civilian and their claim can be
granted as justified. If all humans are equal then such power should not be
given. I am not against foiling terroristic plots, but I believe that is not
proactive to give such power and responsibilities to ordinary people who could
be our neighbors.
Blog Post 1: Enemy of the State
The way I felt about the movie, as the beginning started I didn't think that some people in the government and congress would do something as shady as what happened to Phillip Hammersley. It made me think about how the government can turn on one another. It also made me feel that it would turn on the people in the country. The government only let the people hear what they want to hear.
The government in the film is portrayed as shady,insane, and not trusted. In the beginning when Phillip Hammersley video of him being killed was revealed because the government was tapping the guy phone that switched the tape at the murder scene. This made me feel that the government does not care about people privacies. Looking closely at the movie when they were tapping the guy phone that had the video of Phillip Hammersley death, they were tapping his phone line and computer for their own safety. This makes me feel that some people in the government only does things to protect themselves and not that people.
The government should not tap phone lines, computers, or anything that has to do with people privacies. I do believe they should tap phone lines if they desperately believe that it is an attack on America or something suspicious. National Security as went up since 9/11 and other attacks that succeeded. This mean that the government needs to take action on the bigger things. Tapping phones is not the only way people connect. Computers aren't the only way. If that is the case, are they going to start checking our mail that comes to our homes? Our facebooks,or twitters? People are getting more clever as the years go by. They know the government expects so they do the unexpected. Such as 9/11.
Enemy Of State
enemy of the state
In this movie, the government is portrayed like an agency who can do everything. He has equipment such as satellites that can identify people. he has agents, spy, computer specialists etc...The NSA do part of the government.But we can see that NSA can control the government. whether the NSA decided to discredit someone, the government follow the NSA.
2)How individual citizen`s privacy is respected?
The privacy is respected in some way for the government guard these data to him, they are not disclosed. But for exemple the NSA know everything on we.
3) Your opinion on level of access the government should have to your personal info
4)When individual freedoms can/should be restricted for safety of community?
the individual freedoms must be restrict when individual`s no longer recognizes the limitations of these libertees established by the constitution of the rights of the man. Eg personal injury. Like says one article of the constitution:
Freedom is to be able to do anything that does not harm others: thus the exercise of the natural rights of each man has no limits except those which assure to the other members of the society the enjoyment of these same rights. These limits can only be determined by law
Enemy of the state
In this movie I found the things that occurred on the governments behalf not to be surprising at all. The American government keeps major things from us that go against all of our rights as citizens. I don’t know who determines the definition of the terms “safety”, “protect” and “citizen” and what it means to the government of the United States. It is appalling to me that the “citizens” we are “protecting” had no idea that devices used and created for terrorist could at any moment be them.
In the movie Dean played by Will Smith kept repeating that he had no idea what was going on and why it was happening. In the scene when he meets up with the real Brill his ignorance as a citizen shows also when him and his wife are in the kitchen and she emphasizes how important it is for us to know about the changes that are made and how our privacy might be on the line. That is the issue with Americans they don’t follow up on current government changes and they don’t ask questions when there is confusion with a bill or law.
This movie was created well before the 9-11 attack, which says a lot. In movies I realized that if it is in a film already and it involves sensitive information about how the government operates. The government is way past the technology they use to “detect terrorists”. I do not agree with the government having access to cutting my phone lines, tapping into my phone and freezing my accounts. In the movie and reality the public should be more aware of the governments gadgets and when it is happening to them. Overall the thought of someone constantly watching you is here and always has been. I have every doubt that the government does not know the definition of acceptable and enough evidence to investigate someone. To be frank we are all being investigated and watched. I wouldn't be surprised if I got locked up for my Anti American views they might think that is enough evidence to wreck my home and ruin my life just like in the movie.
Blog Post #1: Enemy of the State
As for privacy rights, they were totally violated. Will Smith's character was battered, bugged and broke within a matter of days. This has the gears in my head churning; after all, if they supposedly (putting into perspective the dramatization of it being a Hollywood blockbuster, of course) had this level of technology back when I was merely three years, I have to wonder: what in the world does the government have stashed in their back pocket today?
Granted national security is a thing however, I would hope the government does not stick its nose where it is not needed. If they could narrow down the suspects inside branding every possibility as a terrorist attack waiting to strike, I could concede. As it stands, there is a reason why it is called personal information. Citizens do not want others to have access to their dirty little secrets and I, personally, find almost un-American for people, even the government, to be snooping through a person's laundry.
Though this might seem somewhat stupid, the government might be better off waiting instead basing things on a preemptive course of action. Although, it would make sense if someone, somewhere that have found a trend, a pattern that places the extremists on one boat. A method to pinpoint the crazy and leave the normals to their own devices. If all the fingers point to a person, that would be the only time freedom can be restricted. Then and only then, will the government actions suffice.
Annisa Ahmed
B Band
9.14.12
enemy of the state
In this movie, the government is portrayed like an agency who can do everything. He has equipment such as satellites that can identify people. he has agents, spy, computer specialists etc...The NSA do part of the government.But we can see that NSA can control the government. whether the NSA decided to discredit someone, the government follow the NSA.
2)How individual citizen`s privacy is respected?
The privacy is respected in some way for the government guard these data to him, they are not disclosed. But for exemple the NSA know everything on we.
3) Your opinion on level of access the government should have to your personal info
4)When individual freedoms can/should be restricted for safety of community?
the individual freedoms must be restrict when individual`s no longer recognizes the limitations of these libertees established by the constitution of the rights of the man. Eg personal injury. Like says one article of the constitution:
Freedom is to be able to do anything that does not harm others: thus the exercise of the natural rights of each man has no limits except those which assure to the other members of the society the enjoyment of these same rights. These limits can only be determined by law
Enemy of the state
CSheridan; Enemy of the State Blog Post #1
American Government - D
September 14, 2012
Enemy of the State:
Throughout the film Enemy of the State, the government is portrayed as being very cynical and abusers of the system. I never knew that the government had the power to view all your phone calls, text messages, and emails. This is known as invasion of privacy which I thought was completely not allowed, unless given permission by a judge or the person was convicted of a crime. It is scary to think that one day we are going to live in a society where everything we do is recorded, and it makes me scared to even live my life. I should definitely not feel this way considering our country is known to be full of freedom and liberty.
It was a disgrace watching such an important agency (NSA) use their power for personal purposes. A large amount of the things done in this movie were done illegally such as the installment of cameras/microphones in Will Smith’s attire. Every conversation Will Smith had with someone was observed and recorded by the NSA, just so they were able to save themselves from massive destruction. This is definitely unacceptable and makes me wonder if officials ever listened to conversations I had with my family/friends. Obviously it makes a difference if I am suspected to be a terrorist, but then again anything is possible. Although the PATRIOT Act is definitely a controversial issue, there are some things that definitely need to be altered, such as section 215. I learned that the government is allowed to seize “any tangible thing without a warrant from emails to browsing histories to library records.” This defeats the purpose of privacy, however I think in cases where terrorism is expected then having the ability to just go through someones personal records is necessary. I think it’s difficult to find a balance between the security of a country and the privacy of the citizens. In my opinion, I feel like the government realizes what happened without the Patriot Act, which is 9/11, so they want to take as much precaution as possible no matter what the circumstances. Honestly all I care about is my safety, privacy comes second.
9/11 Video Response
Later, when we watched the film with subtiles I realized that my thinking was somewhat on the right track, but I found a completely different messages. While the adorable children were making bricks for a bomb shelter they were having conversations about death as if it were ritual in daily life. The children's comfortably with death shocked, and even bothered me. What types of circumstances desensitize children to death? When the teacher finally rallies the children for class and is attempting to explain to them that they will have a moment of silence for those who died in 9/11, one girl says that God does not have airplanes so he couldn't have destroyed those people. Other students respond by mentioning other ways that people have died and all of them except one (flood) are man made. This then made me think about the difference of God's power and the power that man posses. Are they different?
Enemy of the State
The government is not portrayed very well and the movie is very biased. While Im sure there are governmental workers who do abuse this tool I also think that there are tons who do use it correctly and as a way to better society. If this tool were to be used as intended then yes, it would be a great resource to prevent terrorism and stop senseless acts of hate, but I think that it also has the ability to be misused and abused.
Define Privacy
When talking about privacy, the plot of this movie has none. The people in the movie does not respect the privacy of other people. There was a part where they were looking at Will Smith's background with his ex-girlfriend. They looked at his bank account and even sticked their nose in his private life like his past relationship! I mean, I don't want people to know what i did back back because past is past. Also when the old crusty villain told his minions to dig some dirty deeds so that "no one will believe him before he talks". I mean, he's in the government and he's the one doing the bad things. Will is not a terrorist, just a threat to him and he's using all these things to invade his privacy! And there were no judge to ask permission to, no warrants, no whatsoever! They were even trespassing in some of the scenes! I think, the government should only know the basics information about me. Like the schools that I go to, where I live, what kind of job I have, like that. Not my bank account or past love interest.
My only concern about this is that, what if people inside the country abuse this power. It's not going to be the terrorist but the citizens who use it for their own selfish actions. We're going to be the enemy of each other and this will be a whole different problem that we have to solve. The only question is, how can we have this power without abusing it?